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1. Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] (lnxw48a1)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2017 02:25:23 CEST Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]

   • Eugen
   • Christopher Lemmer Webber
   @cwebber @gargron Having been through one bifurcation of the fediverse, I know that it can be survived.
   
   That said, I think almost all of us prefer to keep the existing fediverse together and add the now-separate federation (diaspora and compatibles) and pumpiverse ... we really are better together than separate.
   • Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] (lnxw48a1)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2017 05:34:14 CEST Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]

     • USB-loving k9
     @usbhump There wasn't a Diaspora split because (A) D* was never compatible and (B) they didn't rip the community in half. The Pump\.io split had both elements, as would a Mastodon split.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2017 09:37:19 CEST Hallå Kitteh

     • Eugen
     • Christopher Lemmer Webber
     @cwebber The way I hear it, it was there. All the way from "Dude, that's not a good way to do it, it will break assumption X" only, to "I could help you design this part".
     
     But @gargron was in too much of a hurry to get his features in, and preferred "here's how I read the [woefully incomplete and outdated] specs" over "here's how the installed base actually uses these protocols". Now people in the old community are burned out on trying to get things synced up.
     
     There's a lot of mudslinging both ways, and people have all kinds of weird opinions about Mastodon and Gargron, but a lot of people on the Mastodon side seem to think "They just hate our freedom from abuse!", and that's not how it went down.
     
     OStatus as practiced hasn't been at a standstill since 2013, there is an admin community that has added little fixes here and there, coordinating with each other, and Mastodon development hasn't been run in that collaborative way, it has been a move-fast-and-break-things effort.
     Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] and Bob Mottram repeated this.
   • Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] (lnxw48a1)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2017 10:13:51 CEST Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]

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     • Eugen
     • Christopher Lemmer Webber
     • Hallå Kitteh
     @clacke @cwebber @gargron This absolutely fits what I observed.
   • Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] (lnxw48a1)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Sep-2017 14:17:04 CEST Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]

     • Eugen
     • USB-loving k9
     @gargron @usbhump An incomplete answer at best. I'll try to write a more accurate and complete response after work.
   • Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)] (lnxw48a1)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Sep-2017 03:25:50 CEST Nobody [LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1)]

     • Eugen
     • USB-loving k9
     @usbhump Evan P's Status\.Net startup lost its funding. Around the same time, he was trying to get the developers of the underlying protocols that compose #OStatus to agree to make changes to their protocols to enable enhanced privacy. Among the organizations he was trying to motivate was Google, which had recently introduced #GPlus and was no long interested in the open web.
     
     In a hurry to cut costs, he developed the #Pump.io software and protocol to be simpler to develop and cheaper to operate, and to offer some additional privacy built into the protocol. And also to be independent of the progress some of these protocols.
     
     Pump was built with the idea that most federated networks would switch protocols to be compatible. That did not happen. But the hope is that its descendant #ActivityPub will unite the disparate networks.
     
     @gargron Don't oversell AP. If you start to sound like a used car salesperson, people will become suspicious of your motives and the veracity of your claims.